E6: Unicorn Eulogy: Wren's story

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Join us for an intimate conversation about the hardest part of horse ownership: saying goodbye. Hear the story of Kahlan's Wren and his last beautiful day. We will be discussing logistics of this painful truth and remembering Wren in all his unicorn glory. Taylor CL Schouten, MS, APF-I Hoof Care Practicioner Wild Hoof Equine LLC www.wildhoofequine.com Kahlan Ettere Holistic Nutritionist Wise Choice Equine Wellness LLC Check out our website: www.theredmareproject.com Follow along on Facebook!

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

— Disclaimer & Introducing Wren's Story

Hey, y'all.

Just a little disclaimer before we get into this episode.

Our dear Kahlan had to make a very difficult decision lately to let her darling senior crossover.

So this episode is going to be on euthanasia, the decision-making process on doing so, as well as discussing intentional limb removal for the sake of education.

So we are going to talk about some more off-brand things, some kind of heavy topics.

So please just be aware of that, and this is going to be more of an emotional episode.

So and if you feel that you're not in a space to receive something like this or to hear something like this, probably bow out.

This is something you want to listen to when you're in a space to receive it.

Welcome to The Red Mare Project.

Yeah.

So yesterday, I and Taylor was there, had to, made the decision to have my old horse put down.

He was maybe 30.

I'm not sure he was a rescue.

I'll tell more of his story.

But I was lucky enough and he was lucky enough to be surrounded by friends and family.

I just wanted to get into talking a little bit about that.

Number one, like that process logistically.

Because it can be kind of chaotic and the more organized you are about it, the less traumatic it is.

Making a plan beforehand.

Yes.

Because when you're in the emotional state of making the choice in the moment, if you have to do it in a heated moment, help yourself out and make those decisions.

Yeah, have a plan.

Because there's a lot of moving parts to it that you don't think about.

Because it's not something we like to think about.

But I had this planned, and I like to think it was pretty well-organized, mostly because of Taylor's professionalism.

I will go ahead and get out of the way that we did this probably earlier than nature would have called for.

I mean, obviously, or he would have been gone before.

— Why Kahlan Made the Decision to Let Wren Go

The reason I did is because I've only had him three years, and he was a rescue.

When I was working with this rescue, he was one that came to us really messed up, super underweight, really gnarled, arthritic legs.

His knees were pretty angry.

They were really bad, and they got really bad in the past, like, three months.

Like, they were a little funky, but they got way worse really fast.

He really did kind of hit a bit of a, I don't want to say a wall, but for his trims, he's always a really good participant, and he and I have this understanding where, like, you know, I know when to tap out, and he asks me, like, hey, Taylor, you only got a second more, do your thing, I got to go.

And that timer has become shorter and shorter, and that was something that Kahlan and I have been discussing that that timer, I think, is something to value and to honor Absolutely, that's one of the ways they're communicating with you, that they're slowing down.

They don't, you know, it really, it kind of pisses me off when people are like, oh, well, they, you know, they still have light in their eyes.

They still want to live.

Okay, yeah, they're prey animals.

Duh.

Like, I think one of the most generous things we can do for our animals is relieve them of discomfort.

Or before it gets to that point.

Yeah, yeah.

And he, if I didn't do this, he probably would have lived, he could have lived another five years, I don't know.

But in, like, in what condition?

Exactly.

In what quality of life?

Yeah.

So I did this at this time because in two months, exactly, I'm going to be moving to Texas from Georgia.

And the climate is a little more extreme there.

That's a nice way to put it.

Yeah.

A little intense for an old guy.

And he doesn't do great in the heat.

He doesn't do good in a stall.

So that doesn't leave me a lot of options.

— The Re-homing Question: Why It Wasn't an Option

I had a lot of people asking me, well, why don't you just re-home him?

Why don't you just give him to someone?

You know, I've got a beautiful network of people.

That would be a disservice to him and whoever took him.

He was very expensive to keep because he required a lot.

He didn't have great teeth because he had no...

I can't say no.

I don't know his entire history, but he had really shitty care.

But until we got him almost 10 years ago and then when I left the rescue, I had to leave him with them.

And he served as a special in Bix Horse because he was a fucking unicorn.

The horse was like, they're truly so kind.

He was so kind.

All he wanted to do was be a convenience to you.

Literally, until his last minute, he was so special.

And I got him knowing, I brought him on personally and privately to be able to provide for him on a more one-on-one situation.

When horses are in a larger farm or in a program, they don't get the individualized attention that they would with just a singular owner.

And when I brought him home, I saw him blossom into something that I didn't know, I met him.

I met him for the first time.

I had known him for years and I just met him.

I think when we've said that before, like we get to meet them and it's almost, it's our way of saying like we have gotten them, not we, or like their journey has gotten them to a place where their personality and their emotionality can actually present itself in a safe way and you actually get to meet them.

Yeah, like you're meeting all facets of their personality, not just the defensive side or not just a scared side or.

You really get to know them.

Yeah, Wren was one that internalized everything.

I'm sure you can figure that out because he was so sweet.

Yeah.

He never fought back.

So if you weren't extremely considerate of how you treated him, never know he was suffering because he was just really kind.

— Who Was Wren: Quiet Suffering & Endless Kindness

And that was one of the reasons why I wanted to have him privately so that I could listen to that.

And he turned into such a jerk.

It was awesome.

When I first brought him home, he was actively in a program being retired at the time.

And he didn't look great because it was just really hard to manage him on that property.

Yeah.

And like the first three months, it was the Wren that I previously knew.

Quiet, reserved, didn't ask for much, just really didn't want to be an inconvenience to anyone.

His winter coat shed out, he looked like sparkly, sparkly, the corn horse, and he started getting so pushy.

It was awesome.

He would scream at me.

He would run next to the fence when I drove in to feed him.

I'd never seen him do that before.

He found his voice.

He did.

He would shake me down for cookies.

And he was the only horse I ever would give unhealthy cookies to, because I knew I was on limited time with him.

And I just wanted to give him whatever the hell he wanted, and turn his nose up at a carrot, at a celery, at apples.

He hated apples, hated them.

Like didn't even want to sniff them.

Are you serious?

And I brought him applesauce.

He loves applesauce.

No, he loves applesauce.

He doesn't like apples.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah.

Very particular.

It's different.

He likes cinnamon.

Okay.

There was a time where I made him, I was trying to make like functional nutrition cookies.

Yeah.

Ate them.

Wouldn't eat them.

Loki loved them, but Wren was like, I don't know what you tried to do here, mom, but these are nasty.

He hated them.

And I so respect that.

He just became, he loved scratches.

He really found himself.

And I was, he had a wife.

He really did.

He loved his wife till the very end.

He's, through everything he went through, he was so kind and trusting.

— Wren's Trust & His Love for His Mares

Like he would easily bond to a person or another horse.

He loved his mares.

He kind of could take it early of a gilding, but he loved his mares.

He likes a pretty girl.

He was a ladies man.

For sure.

And he was gorgeous.

He was a beautiful horse.

He was handsome.

Yeah, he was very handsome.

I wish I could have had him when he was like five.

He had the most beautiful face and the kindest little eyes.

I know.

He was 16 hands, gray, just...

Stunna.

Yeah, stunna.

He had a lot more spots, a lot more freckles a couple of years ago.

Really?

Yeah.

You can't see him as much when he's not shut out.

Oh, I see.

So he was a little fuzzy still.

But anyway, that was Wren.

Wren was extremely special, and I'm honored to have been able to give him a peaceful last day.

But I do feel it's important to talk about how to make that decision.

Yeah.

It's very different for everybody.

And I can only speak for non-emergent situations in this case, because if there's an emergency, I don't wish it on anybody, but it happens.

It's pretty clear when that kind of stuff happens.

But this one wasn't as straightforward.

I could have given him away.

I could have left him with a rescue.

But I promised him the day I brought him home that he would never want for anything a day in his life ever again.

He would have everything, all the comforts, all his preferences, his favorite cookies, his favorite everything, his favorite scratches, till the day he died.

And if I couldn't, I can't expect someone else to fulfill that.

So sometimes, this is like maybe a hot take, I don't know.

I think sometimes with senior horses, it's better that they go down in a safe way, maybe too early rather than too late.

Yeah.

It is more honorable to the horse, in my opinion.

Logistically speaking, we can talk about the day a little bit.

— The Last Day: A Beautiful Send-Off

It was a beautiful day yesterday.

I could not have asked for a better day.

It was handcrafted.

It really was.

But then he so deserved it.

Like, it was barely short of a rainbow coming out of his ass.

It was just, like, it was beautiful.

And we walked him and his wife up to a really beautiful, grassy area, made the hill as easy as possible, you know, took the soft way and got to eat snacks on the way.

He got brushed for like four hours the day before.

I just scratched him until I literally could not scratch any longer until the sun went down.

Yeah.

And he was insisting that I didn't leave, which was funny.

He loves it.

But it was really peaceful.

I, I, you never know what to expect when this decision is made.

And I had a, the vet did a great job.

And he just, he was so, I don't know, considerate.

That sounds like I'm anthropomorphizing a little bit.

Uh, for this guy, I don't, I don't think you can.

I, I don't think that apply.

I think he was considerate.

Yeah.

I thought at first he was gonna fall towards us.

And I told the vet, like, you gotta move.

Cause I can see that where the weight is shifting.

And he didn't.

He just, like, slowly fell away and laid his head so gently in the grass.

And his last breath was with a mouthful of beautiful grass.

It was perfect.

I could not ask for more for him.

I feel so grateful that I was able to do that for him.

And that you were there.

Taylor was not just there as my friend, she was there as a professional.

And she had a really very important, and I can imagine, very difficult role to play in yesterday's activities.

Do you want to talk a little bit about that, Taylor?

I do.

But I do want to kind of back up a little bit and just being there.

So, like Kahlan said, it was a perfect day.

I mean, there was no cloud in the sky.

It was, I mean, this stunning, lush green field.

— The Field, Duchess & Family Gathered Around

Duchess, his wife, was there.

And your mom was there, your husband was there.

And when we say surrounded by family, I mean, this was, we brought out the nines.

His favorite meal.

And the vet who was there, who was, you know, took care of everything, she handled it with so much grace and so much kindness and took up, when I say no space, I mean, it was...

I mean, she did her job and then she backed up.

It was, and she honored everything and...

She let me take my time.

She waited until my family got there.

She rode in the gator far out into the field.

And she was just... she did a great job.

It was a tall order.

And, you know, thank you to all the veterinarians who honor that space and time.

And they just...

It's a really bad day for them too.

And it can be... it can feel really, like, cold.

Yeah.

And they're doing this out of love, not to be cold.

And it was really just... like, that was very clear.

Yeah.

She honored him the best that she could.

And so did we.

And I'm really...

I'm really proud of that.

I couldn't have asked for more.

And Wren's next chapter is going to be as a teacher once again.

Because Taylor...

I don't know how you want to say this, in, like, a nice way.

So when...

As a farrier, we learned so much from past horses and from looking at their limbs.

You know, past, present, you know, either way.

And Kahlan was so kind to offer me, if I wanted to keep a piece of Wren with me, to allow him to tell his story a little bit more, to share his story with other people, to take his legs, which is not an abnormal thing, especially in the hoof care world.

It's kind of commonplace for us to have limbs for dissection purposes, for bone rendering purposes, so we can use limbs to teach anatomy to clients.

You get to know a little bit more about the horse's story through dissection, which sounds kind of grim, but it's when you go through a dissection process, whether it just be a limb or whether it be the whole horse.

— Intentional Limb Dissection: What It Means & Why

I've been very fortunate to go to a whole horse dissection and the story unfolds.

And he so deserves that.

He needs to tell his story because there's so much of it.

There's 20 plus years of untold stories within him.

And Kahlan was very kind and said, if you would like or offered if I wanted to have a piece of him, I could.

And so I was honored to be able to have a piece of him with me.

And it was, you know, removing limbs, because I did it myself.

We didn't have the veterinarian do it.

Removing limbs yourself is...

Intense.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And truth be told, this was my first time doing it.

John, my husband, could not get over the fact that it was your first time.

I mean, I asked, I double-checked with you today, because I thought that that was the case.

He was like, there's no way.

She did that with such precision and such, like, respect for him.

She made...

He didn't get back down to her with the gator.

She was already done in laying flowers, where his legs once were.

So that was a big thing, is we, like...

I guess that's why it did work out so magically well.

Angels do exist, man.

They do.

And when you have to do something, like, all horses are very special, but this one was next level, because not only was he a client, he was also, he was my buddy.

He's everybody's buddy.

He's the sweetest horse.

He's my best friend's kid.

So there's a lot of layers of, like, Taylor, you had to show up today.

It's a big girl day.

This is big girl day.

And, you know, for some limb removal might not be a big issue, but, you know, it was...

Heavy.

Yeah, it was heavy.

And I hate to say it, getting, like, once I got going, I was like, okay, now this is science.

— The Science of Dissection: Getting Past the Hard Part

Now this is science, yeah, but starting.

So Wren and I were really fortunate to have some time together beforehand, which I really appreciated, because you guys all got to have your time together with him and actually got to, like, say your goodbyes.

And I was given privacy to do my thing.

So, Wren and I, we just kind of hung out together.

And we brought some, I brought flowers and we adorned him in flowers.

And it was really, thank you for giving me that time with him.

Thank you for doing that.

I can't wait to learn more about him.

He was very quiet.

He had a very hard life, as far as I know.

Yeah.

And I feel so lucky that I was able to give him a peaceful end, that I have the resources, meaning you.

Oh, jeez.

To be able to learn from him and do the best we can with what is left of him.

So, having that time with him to just sit and share my gratitude for his story, what he taught me, connecting us even more.

I think that's what kind of not made it okay, but gave me what I needed to get through it and to get started.

Yeah.

And I had to do a good job.

There's no way.

Sometimes you just have to show up.

And you did in Spades.

You showed up with your big girl panties on and you made that shit.

I mean, John was, John wanted to take pictures because he said it was just so beautiful what you did for him.

Oh, and, well, and I wanted to also make it not a horror show for the gentleman who is coming to bury him because you have to consider these people as well.

That's not...

Oh my gosh.

And this man, I don't know.

I think we're just doing this episode because we just want to talk about it because everybody goes through it.

Yeah.

And if you have a good support system around you, it can be a really beautiful process.

I mean, it sucks ass for everyone that's still here, but for Wren, we did a good job.

— We Did a Good Job: Finding Peace in the Decision

Oh, this was to the nines.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And he deserves that.

Yeah.

But a friend of mine whose horse is I've helped in a nutrition sense, and just her mare had colic surgery and I helped her with the rehab and blah, blah, blah.

Her boyfriend refused to let me pay him.

That's karma though.

Absolutely.

And I'm so eternally grateful.

Guys, bearing a horse is really expensive.

Like the quote that I got before I spoke to this person was $450.

On top of- Really?

Yes, ma'am.

Wow.

On top of my bill that I was already racking up for low-key paperwork and everything, and then the actual euthanasia process.

Like, that shit's not free.

You're already going through the most traumatic thing in your horse experience.

And then- You got a big ass bill.

You got a big ass bill.

Like, it feels terrible and cold and just like awful.

I feel I'm so grateful.

This man, I was leaving the barn like probably four or five hours later.

It was a long day.

And he just came out of the property.

I showed him where it was and he said, you know, go home.

It's a long day for you.

I'll take good care of him.

And he wanted, he said, you know, was this your personal horse?

Tell me about him before he went up there.

He was just like, everyone involved was so kind and loving.

And that is like Wren deserved no less.

So, you know, thank your horsey friends for being there for you because they really know how to fucking show up.

Yeah.

On like the worst day.

And it wasn't even a bad day.

Like when I think about it, I'm sad, not because I've lost my horse.

I'm sad because I didn't have him before.

I'm sad because I couldn't show up for him for 28 to 30 whole years.

Like, I only had him for a short portion of his life, and he deserved to be loved ridiculously and like unconditionally.

And he wasn't until I had him.

And that sucks.

But you had him for that time and you gave him all of that.

— Giving Him the Softest Place to Land

You gave him the softest place to land.

Yeah, literally.

Yeah.

It was beautiful.

It sounds like I keep talking about it because it sounds like, it sounds like so horrible, but watching him fall was like, I made a good decision.

He looks so comfortable.

It's closure, man.

That's the good kind of closure.

Beautiful.

And his wife was just being so rude.

She was like, almost stepped on him.

She was like trying to eat grass around him, trying to push Taylor around.

Taylor was like, Taylor was on wife duty.

She was the designated duchess holder because she's just like bulldozed in the whole situation.

This woman does not realize what is not about her and I love this mare for it.

She's, how old is she?

I don't know, 100?

I think she's in her late 30s and she has lived every day of those.

She knows what she's about and- I love her so much.

They're like the opposite couple.

Wren was the sweetest, quietest, just like, I don't want to take up space, I'm just grateful that you're here.

Duchess was like, hey, get the fuck out of my way.

There's grass there.

Yeah.

What are you doing?

There's grass there.

Why is this vet still here?

She's in my way.

I know.

I so respect it.

I love it.

But I'm really glad that Wren had that strong personality to bond to.

I think that's why.

They just balanced each other out.

You know what's really interesting?

He, Wren was like, anyone could push him off of anything.

Duchess would go over to take his food and he would stand up to her.

Did he really?

Yes.

The only reason that posture worked for them, Wren didn't have a lot of teeth and he would get free fecal water if he had long stem hay and Duchess is the same.

She actually was a choke risk.

So they were getting forage replacement in the form of pellets, which means they both ate so much.

— Managing Wren's Diet: Forage Replacer & Metabolic Needs

Feeding them was a, that's why I moved him back to that farm, because when I'm at work, he can't have lunch.

He needs breakfast, lunch, after lunch, snack, dinner, bedtime snack.

They need a lot.

So it worked out that I could feed them together because they had the same menu.

But I kind of expected that I would have to like throw Wren extra food and I never did.

He never stole her food and she would never like, she would come over and he would be like, no, and she wouldn't argue.

She'd be like, oh yeah, sorry, which is crazy.

For any married couple, that's insane.

John, I'd be taking his french fries.

Well, yeah, it's the wife tax.

Yeah, thank you.

Yeah, it's written in scripture.

Thank you.

That's part of the vows, I think.

It is.

And he's clever.

He knows, you know, if I say I don't want to get extra, he's not stupid.

Yeah.

But yeah, it was a really, as easy as that process possibly could have been, but it is a really hard decision to make.

And I think, I don't know, what I want people to hear is like, do it a day too early.

And I know for some folks, that's the hardest part because it's like, but they're good, why would I do it now?

You don't want to do it when they're not good.

Exactly.

And, you know, again, we're not veterinarians.

We are just, you know, just two horse girls just chatting from experience.

And when it gets bad, oftentimes that's when regret seeps in.

Absolutely.

And I've been very fortunate.

I have not had to make that call yet.

And I know one day I will.

It comes for all of us.

It does.

And that's why we wanted to share it because it's inevitable.

And it sucks.

That sucks so bad.

But like, you just have to be brave.

Yeah.

You have to be brave for them to not make them suffer because of our...

Yeah, that's a word, that's, yeah, yeah.

It seems mean, but like, their life is your responsibility from the moment that you have them to the moment they go down.

— Your Horse's Life Is Your Responsibility to the End

Yeah.

And you have to show up for them every fucking time.

You can't have asset, especially when it comes to seniors and any hard decisions that you may, may have to make.

Um, I said that twice.

That's okay.

Whatever.

Um, especially with seniors, you have to watch them and you have to be ready.

And I think a lot of folks don't recognize that when it is senior care, it's hospice care.

Literally.

It's the same thing.

They're, unless you're old, they're not going to outlive you.

Yeah.

And you have to be ready at some point to make that decision and be brave.

Like I, it was kind of annoying me because like all week, people around me were like starting to cry because they knew this was happening.

And I'm like, okay, well, I can't.

I don't have that luxury.

I have to be brave.

I was not feeling brave.

Well, even I remember when, before we even went out to go and get Wren and Duchess, I looked at you and I, like, I felt your vibe shift and like you were, it was boiling and I was like, It's business time now.

Yeah.

And I was like, baby, good.

You okay?

And she's, you just immediately were like, I have to put on a brave face.

I cannot let them.

I'm going to suck these tears back into my eyeballs.

That was mom mode.

Yeah.

That's what I owe him.

I don't.

He's not my therapist.

He doesn't need to carry my emotions.

I owe him this.

And if this is the last brave thing I can do for him, I have to try.

Like, I think that's, I don't know, maybe I'm a little intense, but like, I think that's something that owners don't consider enough.

Like you have to be brave for them, suck those tears back into your eyes until they're done.

Yeah.

Because it's not their job.

It's not their job to hold that for you.

No, it's our job to hold it for them.

— Holding the Hard Emotions So They Don't Have To

Exactly.

Like, they give us so much that we, like, we expect so much of them.

And that's, they didn't sign up for this.

No, they're just passengers.

Like, they're just chilling.

Yeah.

And you have to put on your big girl panties and do it.

And it fucking sucks, dude.

It sucks so bad.

But I'm going to go to the barn in a little bit and go visit him and know that I did the right thing.

You did.

I so appreciate you honoring him in every way you could and loving him in life, too.

Shout out all his tremors and all his care team because he was not an easy one.

He was weak and his back hurt.

And it was really...

Taylor had to hold up my whole horse.

But he was one of those where...

And that's why the seniors are so special, is he was one of those who made it very easy for me and very clear of, like, okay, this is what I can do.

You work within this parameter.

And he was very honest about it.

And some of them, like, some horses, and this includes Wren, even though he would tap out eventually, he would push himself to a level that was unsafe for me.

And I had to be like, you can say uncle, man.

And you know what I noticed?

The longer I had him, the more willing he was to do that.

I know, yeah.

And I was like, I don't know if that's just because you feel safe now or because you don't have a choice but to quit.

Yeah.

He did it.

And Sarah got him one time, she trimmed him downhill.

And she was like, it's actually easier for him this way because it- You mentioned that.

Yeah.

His back, it wasn't a steep hill.

It was just like a little incline.

And it was so much easier on him because his back hurt so bad.

And that's part of it.

It's just physically so difficult for them.

And towards the end, when his knees were getting really bad, Taylor would beamer him.

She has a beamer that she offers as part of her services.

— The PEMF Practitioner & End-of-Life Comfort Tools

And they love it.

I highly recommend it.

It's, you know, it's not expensive.

It's easy for your care person to do.

And they appreciate it so much.

Like, when you beamed him the last couple of times that you were there, you said it made a huge difference.

Oh, my God.

Because I put it on his knees and I'd let it cook.

Yeah.

I'd go do a couple of other horses.

I'd set, you know, him and the wife up in front of the salad bar.

They'd have their hay net in front.

And they would just hang out together.

I'd go do like one or two more and come back.

And he would, I mean, it really helped him tremendously.

So anything like palliative care that we can do to support them.

Yeah.

And it's ugly.

But if you can't financially do those things, then maybe cut it even shorter.

And I know that sounds mean, but like...

But is it?

Does it sound mean?

I don't know.

It doesn't.

I feel like it could.

But it's the right thing to do.

Like, if you can't give them all these creature comforts in their last days, give them less days to be uncomfortable.

And that's part of what I did.

Like, I could board him somewhere and spend, you know, $700 a month on board and another $700 on his food and care and all his creature comforts.

And I could live in Texas, and I could just rely on someone else to do this.

I can't afford to do that, and I can't afford to have someone else watch him and make that decision.

Like, it's not fair to him.

So I'm really...

I really do feel very good about that.

I feel like I'm happy.

It sounds sad, but I'm happy, and it's all good.

So I don't really know.

This episode was just to talk about it, talk it out, honor Wren, and, you know, any way we can, and talk about kind of how the process goes.

So thank you guys so much for listening and holding space for Wren T.

Mullin T., Mr.

— Remembering Wren's Barn Friends & His Funny Names

Bo Bentee.

The goodest boy.

And, you know, like Kahlan said, if you get anything out of this, it's just recognizing that, like, the day sounds so grim, but, like, the day will come, and the kindest thing that you can do is to have a plan for you and for your horse and the aftermath.

And having that in place will save future you from having to make decisions when you are in a, like...

More urgent state.

Yeah, and you don't want to have to deal with that then.

No.

So help future self out.

Yeah.

Have a plan, especially if you buy an old horse.

Like, I got him when he was old, so I've had time to think about this.

And then, you know, bringing you into the picture for your role and not just as my friend was, you know, that's a big deal.

And it just, everything was so smooth.

And have a plan.

Have a plan for your young horse.

Have a plan for your old horse.

I mean...

Have a plan.

Have a plan?

Have a plan.

It just makes the whole thing less traumatic and more comfortable.

And one thing, I'm not really a people person, but horse communities show up.

Yeah.

Like horse people fucking show up for each other.

Yeah.

So take advantage of that.

I don't know a single horse person that is alone.

Is there not?

We're all in this together.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Even if we subscribe to different ideologies and whatnot, like the whole point is for the good of the horse.

And regardless of what school of thought you come from, that should be the mantra.

And that's what unites us.

Absolutely.

And use your resources, call people with equipment, because it's expensive.

It's so expensive.

So I guess that's it.

Yeah.

I just wanted to talk about him a little bit and talk about how that could possibly go and just shout him out, I guess.

Well, thank you for being vulnerable and sharing it, because this was yesterday.

Yes.

This was yesterday

— Closing: This Is Fresh — Grief, Gratitude & Grace

So this is fresh.

Yeah.

But it feels right.

And if I had been any less lucky in how it turned out, then maybe I wouldn't be ready, but it was just perfect and he deserves all that and then some.

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